tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-70855947736616137202024-03-14T03:42:39.268-07:00Puck DonkeyOilers news, comments and observations (and maybe a few suggestions)slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-4892192820642037152019-01-23T15:33:00.001-08:002019-01-24T01:33:01.973-08:00Rebuild 4.0Im back... and the Oilers are still bad. How is this possible?!? I havent posted in 4 years and looking back over the posts its almost comical. If you would have told me back in 2008 to 2012 that the Oilers would get a player as good as Connor McDavid I would have asked you how many cups we'd win. But Peter Chiarelli took an excellent opportunity in 2015 and absolutely boned it. So where do the Oilers go from here. Failure is the best way to learn and we can only hope Katz and Nicholson get it right on their next GM choice. As a fan I'd simply like to enjoy watching games again. That involves winning and its been a long hard grind since 2006 save for the spring of 2017. This blog is my way of documenting my opinions and see how they age. I just read over my old blog posts and man some of them were through rose colored fan glasses. You always hope for the best - maybe he can continue this PDO heater right?!? I also express my opinions (mostly complain) on Twitter from time to time. Looking back, I was very critical of the Hall trade
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian teams watch the American teams play in the playoffs because they arent nearly as smart as their counterpart <a href="https://t.co/tjEstK8buV">https://t.co/tjEstK8buV</a></p>— Sean Solbak (@frozenpools) <a href="https://twitter.com/frozenpools/status/748243813852798976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think Im gonna switch to being an NFL fan. Suffered through age 25-35 of the Oilers for them to do this?!?</p>— Sean Solbak (@frozenpools) <a href="https://twitter.com/frozenpools/status/748238170542608384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
I also said the Lucic contract better be moveable.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Oilers really go $6x7 on Lucic, I hope they front load it so its moveable if needbe.</p>— Sean Solbak (@frozenpools) <a href="https://twitter.com/frozenpools/status/748885595032657920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
Turns out it isnt. But I wasnt right RE the Reinhart trade especially given the quality of talent that was available at pick 16 in 2015.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Oilers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Oilers</a> trade today isnt the worst. Draft + 4/5 are key dev years for D. Griffin can play next year and UFA crop is light.</p>— Sean Solbak (@frozenpools) <a href="https://twitter.com/frozenpools/status/614643503906164736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It will all depend on how well Griffin develops. The price is high though so they need to be right.</p>— Sean Solbak (@frozenpools) <a href="https://twitter.com/frozenpools/status/614643664669642752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Paying in full price and being wrong was a common result of all Chiarelli's moves. But what does it mean when a fan like me can look at a significant move and instantly bash it, whats going on with management?
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As CTO of a growing machine learning based startup, the biggest thing Ive learned is the importance of measuring success. New employees arrive with new ideas, opinions, methods of doing things. How do you know which ones to implement and how to know if they move the needle the right direction.
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<p>Its not easy.</p>
<p>For me there are 2 keys to this 1) give yourself enough data and visibility into the data to let you measure success and 2) measure often. You need good people to provide the right ideas and execute on but if the process and game-plan are off you are in charge. And for every big decision, you ultimately bear the responsibility of it. So be prepared.</p>
<p>Look at the Oilers cap management and trade record. What process and data led to these decisions? Where did it go wrong? I cant say as an outsider that I know the answer to that but the collection results sure dont speak well to the inputs into those decisions.</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can tell you with a GREAT DEAL more certainty and inside knowledge than "oh, I asked the GM at a season ticket holders meeting" that the Oilers do NOT meaningfully use analytics, and thanks to Chia, no longer even have the capacity to meaningfully use analytics. <a href="https://t.co/IacO8TGVeN">https://t.co/IacO8TGVeN</a></p>— Oilers Nerd Alert (@OilersNerdAlert) <a href="https://twitter.com/OilersNerdAlert/status/1088206557773389824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
<p>Ive followed along with the hockey analytics movement, helped organized the first AB analytics conference, contributed to <a href="http://puckiq.com">puckiq.com</a> (more on that later) and read Lowetide every day for over a decade. I can tell you there are a lot of big brains out there. Embrace analytics. So thats the biggest point I could make. I don't think the decision making has the right foundations behind it. And to be clear I mean a whole lot deeper than checking a players corsi.</p>
<p>The Edmonton Oilers are blessed with a star in Connor McDavid. His impact wont be that of a say Lebron James but in hockey his impact is in a class of its own. So I think the Oilers can be turned around in a 1-3 year window allowing for flexibility on time to clear cap space, acquire players and luck in drafting and development. With that in mind and by backing each decision made with analytics and improved data based inputs I think the Oilers should attempt the following:</p>
<p>1) Embrace skill, speed and possession hockey. Build a team that compliments McDavids strengths. Does this include Ken Hitchcock? I think it could. I dont think coaching has been the Oilers problem in a while.</p>
<p>2) Sell players with cap term and hit particularly those who don't fit point #1. In no order that includes: Lucic, Russell, Sekera, Manning, Spooner, Kassian, Petrovic, Benning, Reider, Brodziak, Koskinen and Talbot. Starting now.</p>
<p>3) Put Darnell Nurse and Jessie Puljurarvi on the block. But Id be tempted to see the value of these 2 players on the open market. Both have incredible physical tools but Im not 100% convinced the hockey IQ is there. In Jessie's case Id instruct my coach to play him 15+ min per game for the rest of the year to see if he can figure it out. The Oilers cant afford to bleed value on anymore deals so keeping both is a fine option.</p>
<p>4) Keep the 2019 pick. Picks are worth more to teams like Winnipeg and Edmonton. 1st round picks can yield value contracts who are your property for 8 years. That has too much value in a cap world. Especially to this team.</p>
<p>And good luck to the new GM. Your fans have been waiting a while.</p>
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slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-13263788471955785612015-06-26T09:35:00.002-07:002015-06-26T09:35:57.554-07:002015 NHL Draft TimelineTimeline of the NHL Entry draft in realtime as it happens on social media.
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<br />slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-36649312294560021302014-04-03T08:43:00.000-07:002014-04-03T08:43:26.245-07:00Draft a centerThe Oilers lost 3-2 to the Ducks last night. It was a good game last night despite the result. As Lowetide points out, <a href="http://lowetide.ca/blog/2014/04/chance-2.html">Taylor Hall is on a nice run</a> with 17 shots and 5 points in the last 2 games. Its nice to see the kid line dominate despite it being almost all Taylor Hall. He sure makes Ebs and Nuge better but they compliment him nicely.
Last night, I spent some time comparing Edmonton to Colorado. I'm still at a loss to explain the Oilers this season and the general idea behind my thoughts was to figure out what it would take for the Oilers to have an Avalanche type break out season. The obvious answer is luck. The Avs are riding good goaltending and thus their percentages will likely cause them to regress next year. This has been covered by others like <a href="http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6805">MC79Hockey</a> so I wont go into that. But the fact remains, 102 pts vs 61 pts is night and day especially given that the Avs drafted Mackinnon first overall last year. I'm gonna start with identifying areas that the Avs have done better at compared to the Oilers.<br />
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1) Goaltending<br />
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As mentioned, the obvious difference between the Oilers and Avs is goaltending. Varlamov has been great and the Oilers goaltending was horrible until recently. That appears to be somewhat resolved now with Scrivens and Fasth.<br />
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2) drafting outside the first round<br />
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The Avs have drafted and developed O'Reily and Barrie in recent years as well as Stastny and McGinn prior to that. The Oilers deserve some credit for drafting Eberle but Musil, Lander and Pitlick dont appear to be impact players while other teams that have worse picks are getting better value. This is something that cant be fixed instantly.<br />
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3) Number of 2 way players in the top 6<br />
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Yakapov is a work in progress and Sam Gagner is a liability defensively. The gap between Gagner and O'Reily or Stastny is pretty large 5 on 5. O'Reily is one of the more underrated players in the league. Statsny is overpaid but still highly effective.<br />
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4) Strength at center<br />
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Nuge, Gagner, Gordon vs Mackinnon, Duchene, O'Reily, Stastny is a daunting difference. Gordon was a great add by MacT. I like him a lot but he doesn't deliver a ton offensively. The really good teams have 3C who can deliver points and are effective 2 way players. Both Gordon and Gagner are fairly one dimensional. Nuge struggled this year and I still expect big things. One a side note, if Paul Statsny becomes available as a UFA, the Oilers should go after him. The end result is likely an overpay but he'd cost nothing to add.<br />
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5) Eric Johnson<br />
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As a 1st overall he's been a bit of a bust but he is still playing top pairing D in Colorado. Despite the missed season due to the golf injury he is still a 2006 draft pick who has finally become an impact player in the last couple years. The Oilers are going to need Darnell Nurse to arrive prior to the 2018 season. The other top pairing defender in Colorado is Jan Hedjda who I don't consider a huge upgrade on Petry. Oilers lack a clear top pairing D.<br />
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Overall, I think the biggest gap between the clubs is the center position. The defense also needs to be addressed but they do have cap space and assets required to land one via trade. The Oilers pipeline is also full of dmen. There are no top 6 forwards ready to challenge for minutes while the d pipeline has Klefbom, Marincin (who is here to stay), Nurse and Simpson. If I'm MacT, I'd be looking at drafting Lion Draisaitl. He has decent size and his scouting report reads as a 2 way C. This type of player I think would compliment Yakapov well. Yakapov did will last year with Horcoff on his wing and I think he will be most effective playing with 2 guys who are responsible defensively who look to get him to shoot in the offensive end. As a likely top 3 pick, Draisaitl will bring a lot of offense as well. The other argument for drafting a center instead of say Ekblad is that D take a lot longer to develop. Eric Johnson is likely the high end in terms of development length but even the shorter term (3 years) is too long given that Taylor Hall is ready to lead the team. He was probably ready last year. He just needs a supporting cast.<br />
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The quickest way for the Oilers to improve is to draft a center. Its also the Oilers biggest need.<br />
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Draft a center.slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-31988399157146446772009-03-13T09:08:00.000-07:002009-03-13T09:26:54.533-07:00Off to SwedenI'm heading off to Sweden and to the Czech Republic to do some traveling and watch some hockey. This will be after a pit stop in Dublin for St Patty's day. My goal for the trip was to get a game or two to watch Linus Omark play in anticipation of him coming to North America next year. Unfortunately Lulea is down 3-1 in the series vs Frolunda and the odds of them still being in the playoffs when I get there aren't looking good. Here is a video montantage of some of Omarks highlights:<br /><br /><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/skWH9lZkgVU&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/skWH9lZkgVU&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object><br /><br />I wish I had a video montage. <br /><br />It will be interesting to see how Omark's size will be effected by the North American game. He does have great speed and skill. On a team full of smurfs, the Oilers may not have room for another undersized forward but if Omark is good enough to play they'll find room for him ... I'd hope. I'll post here some hockey highlights from the trip and if I get to see Lulea play, I'll report my take here.<br /><br />As for the Oilers, they still owe me for losing the SCF when I went to the world cup in Germany. They have a relatively easy schedule but have only won 3 of their last 11. Last nights game against Atlanta had some promising moments, like Patrick O'Sullivans goal and the play of the 4th line (18-51-27). But that loss cant happen if the Oilers are serious about the playoffs. Atlanta is 10 points back of the Oilers, on the road and missing their star player Kovalchuk. Reasoner getting the winner was too predictable. The Oilers dominated the overtime and I'm fairly sure would have won the shootout emphasizing the error made by Gilbert and Cogs on OT winner. Its interesting that now that the offense seems to be back, they are starting to give up 3-4 goals a game along with several high quality chances. The Oilers are gonna need to wake up, especially Ales Hemsky who has been MIA for about 10 games now. Ales Kotalik had some good chances but is running out of time with Hemsky and needs to produce for the Oilers sake and for his impending UFA status. I'm hoping for a pleasant surprise when I come back. An appearance in the playoffs would be fun and incredibly valuable for the young players. Go Oilers!slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-65833346113732154732009-02-06T16:19:00.000-08:002009-02-06T16:25:38.490-08:00Buyers or sellers?I have a couple buddies who are Flames fans (poor things) and we often spend many hours trash talking hockey over email. 95% of everything we say is junk, "Horcoffs a first line goonie", "Phaneuf gets the sloppy second assist" ect. But the other day, I was presented with the following information. Edmonton Oilers since 2000:<br /><br />2008-09 - 8th Position (currently)<br />2007-08 - 9th Position<br />2006-07 - 12th Position<br />2005-06 - 8th Position (cup run)<br />2003-04 - 9th Position<br />2002-03 - 8th Position<br />2001-02 - 9th Position<br /><br />Edmonton's Average Position Last Seven Seasons: 9.00<br /><br />That my friends is the recipe for mediocrity. You have an ok season, make or barely make the playoffs and you don't get much help back via the draft. Draft position is not the key to organization stability - teams like New Jersey, Detroit, San Jose, Dallas ect. have remained dominant franchises for the past decade without a top end draft pick - but teams like Chicago, Washington and Pittsburgh are proving it to be a recipe for success.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjQNgrXtq0Dy8S1UIR0XeSGXr5WRY7_Iy1AMUrPwjfnhUFlE9po4tBxiT-88Ommbc1S1ibfs_2Uo0985eu2UTMCAMjV1VEOatwV4xgkMeebGoPO-Q75K37IYmrarIlqj3dpej74K0VKtjK/s1600-h/visnovsky.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 306px; height: 172px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjQNgrXtq0Dy8S1UIR0XeSGXr5WRY7_Iy1AMUrPwjfnhUFlE9po4tBxiT-88Ommbc1S1ibfs_2Uo0985eu2UTMCAMjV1VEOatwV4xgkMeebGoPO-Q75K37IYmrarIlqj3dpej74K0VKtjK/s320/visnovsky.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5299844397122318978" /></a>Going back briefly to New Jersey, Detroit, SJ and Dallas I think the Oilers are building properly. They seem to be building from the back-end out. Their top 4 D, is solid. The old saying goes "offense wins games defense wins championships" and it still applies. Detroit, Dallas and New Jersey have always had a strong defense. SJ has never had the dominant defenseman but was 3rd best in GA last season and is again up there this year. I don't think this is a coincidence. While Kevin Lowe has failed in having a balance roster, that is more a reflection of the team not being good. His approach to building a team is solid and with Chris Pronger would have been much easier.<br /><br />I've <a href="http://puckdonkey.blogspot.com/2008/12/edmonton-oilers-wishlist.html">said</a> many times that the Oilers are good enough to be a playoff team. With the injury to Visnovsky, that opinion is now in jeopardy. The organization is faced with the question of being sellers or buyers come deadline day. Frankly the only way they lose is by doing nothing.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Arguments for a reload</span><br /><br />I dont use the road reload because the Oilers don't need to rebuild - they have a solid core. However, the Oilers are <a href="http://tsn.ca/nhl/standings/">4 points</a> removed from 14th in the West. 5th last in the league and a shot at Taveres has to be a tempting option. Erik Cole should have good trade value and Staois, Pisani et al would be good salary dumps. Another interesting point is that the Oilers team in 05-06 was much better than 8th (obviously). What did they do before the season? They created about 15 million dollars in cap space. With the global recession and impending decline in NHL salary cap there is going to be a lot of good players available for teams with money. Right now the Oilers have money but no cap space. Reloading is also the best option for trying to find that top-end player to play with Ales Hemsky.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">Arguments for a playoff push</span><br /><br />This team has 2-3 glaring weaknesses and is otherwise a solid team. A center who can win faceoffs and kill penalties and a scoring forward would help this team immensely. That player IMO doesn't need to be a veteran. Roloson has proven he is a good playoff goaltender and this team still has several key ingredients from the 06 Stanley Cup run who would be hungry and game for the playoffs. The Oilers are well stocked with assets who should have enough cachet to fill the voids that are so frustrating to watch. Another undervalued intangible that comes with the playoffs is that the development Oilers young players with no playoff experience (Gilbert, Smid, Grebeshkov, Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson, Brodziak) would be accelerated.<br /><br />My guess is that the Oilers make a push this season. There are many people in the organization whose jobs are on the line. If that's the case, I see no reason to wait a month till the deadline.slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-86405091369449163722008-12-02T11:56:00.000-08:002008-12-02T12:34:02.922-08:00Measuring unappreciated offensive contributions<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgy9N4vcOObv59-uAhIMJ43c-9rfKABmYMsJhMFbOAUGWruhLsuCmB4T53ULavs2RlxORhXUOgCJREcHnpt0qlXeHC68EVdFnTqg76HBCUF1mlEdm0nPgJcmvjO0BJJ7JcajElieCBbLwRG/s1600-h/penner.jpg"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 196px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgy9N4vcOObv59-uAhIMJ43c-9rfKABmYMsJhMFbOAUGWruhLsuCmB4T53ULavs2RlxORhXUOgCJREcHnpt0qlXeHC68EVdFnTqg76HBCUF1mlEdm0nPgJcmvjO0BJJ7JcajElieCBbLwRG/s320/penner.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5275290419050516306" /></a><br />I've been reading alot of David Staples work of late. He got some good stuff that is out of the box type thinking which I like. He had a <a href="http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/blogs/hockey/archive/2008/12/01/the-secret-contributions-of-penner-and-colexdaa.aspx">post</a> today about how Dustin Penner and Erik Cole contribute to alot of goals but dont get as much credit (points). On top of Davids analysis it got me wondering how to measure this. After some thought, I came to the idea that measuring GFON/60 - PTS/60 would be a good indicator. Thanks again to <a href="http://behindthenet.ca">Gabe Desjardins</a> for his excellent work. Here are the Oilers results:<br /><br /><table><br /><tr><td>NAME</td><td>POS</td><td>GP</td><td>GFON/60 - PTS/60</td><td>GOALS/60</td><td>PTS/60</td><td>GFON/60</td></tr><br /><tr><td>TOMGILBERT</td><td>D</td><td>22</td><td>1.76</td><td>0.18</td><td>0.35</td><td>0.53</td><td>1.05</td><td>2.81</td></tr><br /><tr><td>DUSTINPENNER</td><td>LW</td><td>20</td><td>1.69</td><td>0.97</td><td>0.72</td><td>0</td><td>1.69</td><td>3.38</td></tr><br /><tr><td>LUBOMIRVISNOVSKY</td><td>D</td><td>22</td><td>1.55</td><td>0.15</td><td>0.15</td><td>0.15</td><td>0.46</td><td>2.01</td></tr><br /><tr><td>STEVESTAIOS</td><td>D</td><td>20</td><td>1.49</td><td>0.21</td><td>0.21</td><td>0</td><td>0.42</td><td>1.91</td></tr><br /><tr><td>SHAWNHORCOFF</td><td>LW</td><td>22</td><td>1.42</td><td>0.61</td><td>0</td><td>0.41</td><td>1.02</td><td>2.44</td></tr><br /><tr><td>FERNANDOPISANI</td><td>RW</td><td>15</td><td>1.33</td><td>0.66</td><td>0.33</td><td>0.33</td><td>1.32</td><td>2.65</td></tr><br /><tr><td>SAMGAGNER</td><td>C</td><td>21</td><td>1.31</td><td>0</td><td>0.66</td><td>0</td><td>0.66</td><td>1.97</td></tr><br /><tr><td>LIAMREDDOX</td><td>LW</td><td>7</td><td>1.11</td><td>1.1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.1</td><td>2.21</td></tr><br /><tr><td>SHELDONSOURAY</td><td>D</td><td>21</td><td>1.09</td><td>0.36</td><td>0.91</td><td>0.18</td><td>1.45</td><td>2.54</td></tr><br /><tr><td>DENISGREBESHKOV</td><td>D</td><td>19</td><td>1.06</td><td>0.21</td><td>0.21</td><td>0.42</td><td>0.84</td><td>1.9</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ROBERTNILSSON</td><td>RW</td><td>22</td><td>0.92</td><td>0.23</td><td>0.46</td><td>0</td><td>0.69</td><td>1.61</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ERIKCOLE</td><td>RW</td><td>22</td><td>0.86</td><td>0.22</td><td>0</td><td>0.43</td><td>0.65</td><td>1.51</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ETHANMOREAU</td><td>LW</td><td>22</td><td>0.63</td><td>0.84</td><td>0.63</td><td>0.63</td><td>2.11</td><td>2.74</td></tr><br /><tr><td>JASONSTRUDWICK</td><td>D</td><td>19</td><td>0.51</td><td>0</td><td>0.25</td><td>0.51</td><td>0.76</td><td>1.27</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ALESHEMSKY</td><td>RW</td><td>22</td><td>0.39</td><td>0.99</td><td>0.6</td><td>0.6</td><td>2.19</td><td>2.58</td></tr><br /><tr><td>KYLEBRODZIAK</td><td>C</td><td>20</td><td>0.31</td><td>0.94</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.94</td><td>1.25</td></tr><br /><tr><td>MARC-ANTOINEPOULIOT</td><td>C</td><td>22</td><td>0.28</td><td>0.28</td><td>0.84</td><td>0</td><td>1.12</td><td>1.4</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ANDREWCOGLIANO</td><td>C</td><td>22</td><td>0.25</td><td>0.73</td><td>0.24</td><td>0.73</td><td>1.71</td><td>1.96</td></tr><br /><tr><td>LADISLAVSMID</td><td>D</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.53</td><td>0.53</td><td>1.06</td><td>1.06</td></tr><br /><tr><td>TIMSESTITO</td><td>LW</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><br /><tr><td>STEVEMACINTYRE</td><td>LW</td><td>10</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><br /><tr><td>JESSEBOULERICE</td><td>RW</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ZACHERYSTORTINI</td><td>RW</td><td>12</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><br /><tr><td>THEOPECKHAM</td><td>D</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><br /></table><br /><br />My first observation (which came after looking at the data but should have been obvious beforehad) is that, by this metric, defenders score better than forwards. The second was that Staples was right about Dustin Penner whereas Erik Cole didnt rank as well. Cole seems to directly contribute offense and thats about it. Then I looked at the top 20 forwards in the NHL. I eliminated defenders (about 90% of the top 200 players by this metric were defenders) and players who either<br /><br />a) Hadnt played more than 10 games<br />b) Dont play more than 10 minutes/game<br /><br />Not surprisingly was Dustin Penner at 13th overall.<br /><br /><table><br /><tr><td>NAME</td><td>GFON/60 - PTS/60</td><td>POS</td><td>TEAM</td><td>GP</td><td>TOI/60</td><td>PTS/60</td><td>GFON/60</td></tr><br /><tr><td>MIKERICHARDS</td><td>2.37</td><td>C</td><td>PHI</td><td>21</td><td>14.5</td><td>1.77</td><td>4.14</td></tr><br /><tr><td>DANHINOTE</td><td>2.15</td><td>RW</td><td>STL</td><td>10</td><td>8.39</td><td>0</td><td>2.15</td></tr><br /><tr><td>BLAKEWHEELER</td><td>2.05</td><td>RW</td><td>BOS</td><td>24</td><td>10.96</td><td>2.51</td><td>4.56</td></tr><br /><tr><td>PATRICKO'SULLIVAN</td><td>1.92</td><td>RW</td><td>L.A</td><td>22</td><td>12.81</td><td>2.13</td><td>4.05</td></tr><br /><tr><td>STEVENREINPRECHT</td><td>1.85</td><td>C</td><td>PHX</td><td>20</td><td>11.35</td><td>1.85</td><td>3.7</td></tr><br /><tr><td>BRYANLITTLE</td><td>1.84</td><td>C</td><td>ATL</td><td>23</td><td>12.76</td><td>2.66</td><td>4.5</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ERICSTAAL</td><td>1.82</td><td>C</td><td>CAR</td><td>24</td><td>15.13</td><td>1.49</td><td>3.31</td></tr><br /><tr><td>TOMASHOLMSTROM</td><td>1.79</td><td>LW</td><td>DET</td><td>17</td><td>11.83</td><td>2.09</td><td>3.88</td></tr><br /><tr><td>TOBYPETERSEN</td><td>1.79</td><td>C</td><td>DAL</td><td>21</td><td>7.99</td><td>1.07</td><td>2.86</td></tr><br /><tr><td>PATRICHORNQVIST</td><td>1.77</td><td>LW</td><td>NSH</td><td>15</td><td>11.28</td><td>2.13</td><td>3.9</td></tr><br /><tr><td>DEANMCAMMOND</td><td>1.73</td><td>LW</td><td>OTT</td><td>20</td><td>6.92</td><td>0.87</td><td>2.6</td></tr><br /><tr><td>DUSTINPENNER</td><td>1.69</td><td>LW</td><td>EDM</td><td>20</td><td>12.42</td><td>1.69</td><td>3.38</td></tr><br /><tr><td>JONSIM</td><td>1.69</td><td>LW</td><td>NYI</td><td>24</td><td>10.39</td><td>0.96</td><td>2.65</td></tr><br /><tr><td>RICHARDPARK</td><td>1.68</td><td>C</td><td>NYI</td><td>24</td><td>11.84</td><td>1.06</td><td>2.74</td></tr><br /><tr><td>MASONRAYMOND</td><td>1.65</td><td>LW</td><td>VAN</td><td>25</td><td>11.63</td><td>1.24</td><td>2.89</td></tr><br /><tr><td>STEPHENWEISS</td><td>1.64</td><td>C</td><td>FLA</td><td>19</td><td>13.43</td><td>2.59</td><td>4.23</td></tr><br /><tr><td>PETRSYKORA</td><td>1.62</td><td>RW</td><td>PIT</td><td>20</td><td>11.09</td><td>1.62</td><td>3.24</td></tr><br /><tr><td>PETRSYKORA</td><td>1.62</td><td>RW</td><td>PIT</td><td>20</td><td>11.09</td><td>1.62</td><td>3.24</td></tr><br /><tr><td>ALEXEIPONIKAROVSKY</td><td>1.6</td><td>LW</td><td>TOR</td><td>24</td><td>12.49</td><td>2.2</td><td>3.8</td></tr><br /></table><br /><br /><br />This metric obviously isnt a strong indicator of player performance. The only thing better than contributing to offense is by directly contributing (scoring then first assist then second assist ect) to the goal. But Dustin does contribute to offense that he doesn't get credit for. Another thing to consider is the Oilers lack of offense so if you scaled this metric by goal scoring per team Penner would probably rank higher.<br /><br />If anyone wants current Behind the Net 5 on 5 data. I shared the spreadsheet I pulled the data into <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pD8REcipK_hnptUOqxZ8RBA">here</a>.slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7085594773661613720.post-91979346095424840592008-05-15T10:03:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:37:03.427-08:00Comparisons to Detroit<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiBn77A4e6ioEf6FPbKmqJ-uLlZ9s4Jf5bHLdbDGt48_nazYiIkBfvOrjKc_NzPA2M7RBsBXFOVixZIPOH1pjkgnU9MfdDKHXvcMIPzrcctV5VZtEq4TxvwCc1_i5e2vrLM1IZlgbpZD1ea/s1600-h/wide_061226_yzerman.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiBn77A4e6ioEf6FPbKmqJ-uLlZ9s4Jf5bHLdbDGt48_nazYiIkBfvOrjKc_NzPA2M7RBsBXFOVixZIPOH1pjkgnU9MfdDKHXvcMIPzrcctV5VZtEq4TxvwCc1_i5e2vrLM1IZlgbpZD1ea/s320/wide_061226_yzerman.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5200744792952713970" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="font-size:85%;">I have been thinking a lot these playoffs about what the successful teams are doing and in what areas these teams are outperforming the Oilers. As a team that is no longer a have-not, I don’t see the Oilers building the Penguins route. For me, again and again it comes down to what Detroit is doing. Yesterday, I spent quite a lot of time going through and the pre/post game interviews on the <a href="http://redwings.nhl.com/%20%20">RedWings website</a> and I found some very interesting quotes from Mike Babcock as well as Nik Lidstrom. It really revealed a lot to me and my overall assessment was fairly encouraging about the direction the Oilers are heading.<br /><br />Reporter: <span style="font-style: italic;">"Is it a luxury as a coach to be able to get your best players out in any situation cause some guys have to, if teams are taking penalties, they can’t get their best forwards in the game. How much of a luxury is that for a coach?"</span><br /><br />Babcock: <span style="font-style: italic;">"I guess it’s a luxury but I guess you put them out there in those situations over and over again until they do it right. You don’t let them off the hook and you make them check their best players. We went through the process a couple years ago we'd alternate who match up against the other team’s best, Pavel would match up, Z would match up and then Draper would match up and we'd go night to night. We'd give them the hardest matchup. Because in our opinion we feel that’s just what you have to do. We do the same now with Fillipula and with Franzen. We think your best players gotta play both ways, that’s the philosophy we have and then I guess you get lucky and they can do it. </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;" >My point being is when your the coach and you gotta hide your best players when you gotta avoid matchups they don’t get on the ice enough, they get frustrated and sometimes your telling them they aren’t good enough to play in those situations. To me that doesn’t lead to winning in the end.</span><br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">You look at a guy like Steve Yzerman. Did he become a more complete player when he played. Obviously. And when you go through some of the best players in the league, thats what happened. When I came here Pavel Datsyuk was a star, he could still stick handle in a phone both. Now he's just more dominant. All over the ice. </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">He didnt use to penalty kill - now he's a dominant penalty killer.</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> He's a dominant face-off guy. He is great in the first minute of the game and great in the last minute of the game. Up down whatever. He's evolved now I think that’s part of the expectation thats put on him here. Thats part of being a red win.”</span><br /><br />Observation: Ales Hemsky needs to start killing penalties. Plain and simple. Oilers can’t affort to have Hemsky sitting 6-8 minutes in a row because of penalty problems. He needs to dominate in more areas of the game like Datsyuk does.<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">“Zetterberg has always been a great defensive player but </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">he never shot the puck</span><span style="font-style: italic;">. Now he shoots the puck more anyone in the league (well not a quite as much as Ovechkin) so he scores all the time. And then the other thing that happens is you earn the right to feel confident. No coach gives you that. Your parents don’t. You earn that by having success over and over again. What happens is Fillipula starts trying to do the same things you do and Franzen starts doing it and it’s just kinda contagious.”</span><br /><br />Observation: When I first thought about how Zetterberg didn’t shoot when he came into the NHL I again immediately thought about Hemsky and how he actually did start shooting the puck more this year. But after I thought about it, I began to think Horcoff starting to shoot more last year was more along the lines of Zetterberg’s development (always a good defensive player). Last year Horcoff emerged in my mind as a legitimate number #1 center because he started to shoot the puck. Something clicked inside him that made him want to shoot.<br /><br />Observation: Make Horcoff captain. He is our workhorse leader, with and without the puck on and off this ice but more importantly he is our (second) best player. You want Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson and Brodziak watching how Horcoff works, how he plays. He is the guy you want players learning from. For all Ethan Morreau does, working his ass off and fighting tougher guys, I’d be ok if I never lived to see Sam Gagner fight Ryan Kesler again.<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">“When you have a pro like Nik Lidstrom who sets the tone, it doesn’t mean your gonna have success every game or year but it means you just keep knocking on the door and you have a chance."</span><br /><br />Observation: He is such a deuschebag but man do I miss Chris Pronger. That statement above is so true. IMO the value of an elite defenseman is higher than that of an elite forward. Calgary doesn’t seem to be contending with a decent lineup and Jarome Iginla but Lidstrom has kept Detroit an elite team between Yzerman/Federov and Datsyuk/Zetterberg. With the loss of Pronger, our last 2 seasons come as no real surprise to me. As for next year, the Oilers D is much improved but is still lacking a top-end player unless Gilbert or Pitkanen have breakout seasons.<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">“We have 4 lines that can play both offense and defense. That’s just what our team does, everyone on our team plays both ends of the ice.”</span><br />-Zetterberg<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">“Our team defense that we talk about, 5 skaters and the goalie. And just the overall effort from the guys, back-checking, and keeping the other team on the outside, keeping them from finding good shots in the slot.”</span><br />- Nik Lidstrom (pregame May 12)<br /><br />Observation: For all the guys that complain about how Craig MacTavish is a defensive minded coach that discourages offense, it seems here that he is telling players exactly what Zetterberg/Lidstrom talk about above. MacTavish wants a four line game where all lines can player and are defensively responsible. This is what Detroit does – just better.<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">"They (Zetterberg/Datsyuk) play hard. We you have you best players offensively that are your best defensive players that work harder than anybody else that sends a pretty good message to the rest of group you better do the same. I think they are league elite players, I've been thinking that for 2 years. They've both gotten better offensively. Pavel’s got a lot better defensively. </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">They are complete players with great will. They move the puck well and are competitive … We're fortunate that our best players, not only are they elite players, they are elite competitors.</span><span style="font-size:85%;">"</span><br />- Mike Babcock<br /><br />Observation: Mike Babcock seems to be big on complete level which is something I’ve heard MacT talk about continuously in the last couple years. Its encouraging that Gagner, Cogliano and Gilbert not only have a high level of skill but also a high compete level. The knock on Rob Schremp has been that he can’t skate and that he doesn’t compete hard enough. The lack of compete is not good for him all.<br /><br /><br />-- Sorry for the any translation errors. My typing is brutal. The Babcock quotes can be found http://redwings.nhl.com/ by clicking on “Wings TV” then find “Mike Babcock presser (May 13)”.</span></span><hints id="hah_hints"></hints>slopitchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09154474610448142182noreply@blogger.com1